Comments on: Reconsidering Wine Ratings

By: Doug Smith

Doug Smith — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:18:21 +0000

Ward, that sounds like the kind of thing that Eric LeVine should be working on with his website cellartracker.com …

By: Ward Bell

Ward Bell — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:49:57 +0000

If we start with the idea that “… the web should be different …,” perhaps we should be exploring ways to make ranking and ratings more meaningful and useful?

It seems to me that while it requires work and discipline, that we can find ways to compare wines and use those ranking and comparisons to drive recommendation engines. In other words, refine the process of building “collaborative filtering” databases to match the tastes of participants in ways that yields statistically significant recommendations.

Let’s find a way that you can taste and rate a wine and I and many others can taste and rate that same wine and through some appropriate (and probably complex) algorithm, turn those ratings into recommendations for those who share similar ranking/ratings on some significant number of test points.

Requires some new thinking and a good deal of work but might prove to be very interesting.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:42:49 +0000

Ryan: Nice video and an interesting way for presenting wine reviews. I think Gary’s method at winelibrary.tv also works well but he still uses scores. So I’m not sure if the “web-way” will be a mixed-media deal or something else.

Doug: Read you loud and clear which will make any change difficult for me. I do think scores are useful in distinguishing wines tasted at the same time but the 95 pointer at the beginning of a large tasting is not always equal to the 95 pointer after 60 wines. So I’m going to continue scoring wines until I arrive at whatever this new format is for wine reviews that will emerge from wine blogs. My guess is it will be closer to movie reviews than what is currently going on in the wine press.

Thanks for your comments.

By: Doug Smith

Doug Smith — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:02:00 +0000

Well, I think that wine ratings do provide essential information about the wine, when taken together with a well-written tasting note. Without the rating, the question really is how well the person actually liked the wine, in comparison with other (perhaps similar) wines that he or she has tasted in the past. People who do not use explicit numerical ratings tend to rely on less accurate “verbal” quasi-ratings like “excellent/very good/good/bad”, which in this case is simply a four point scale.

Now, I am willing to consider the possibility that some people don’t read wine reviews in order to learn if they ought to buy the wine or not. For some people, wine reviews are a sort of “creative sharing” or art form in themselves, that are intended to enhance the whole wine experience. But for the rest of us who read reviews in order to make wine buying more rewarding, ratings play a necessary role.

By: ryan

ryan — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:23:04 +0000

I say go even further. Let’s redefine the tasting note. Our post for April’s virtual tasting at Catavino attempted to do that with a video. Not sure if it worked, but we’ll keep trying, that’s for sure!