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		<title>By: Wine 2.0 Minifesto &#124; Winecast &#171; Craig Camp Communications</title>
		<link>http://winecast.net/2006/11/24/wine-20-minifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-56833</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine 2.0 Minifesto &#124; Winecast &#171; Craig Camp Communications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://winecast.net/2006/11/24/wine-20-minifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-48254</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Paul; my views have evolved significantly since we started the online meetups. As I said in my post today, I will be rewriting this minifesto over the holidays to reflect these views.

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Paul; my views have evolved significantly since we started the online meetups. As I said in my post today, I will be rewriting this minifesto over the holidays to reflect these views.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mabray</title>
		<link>http://winecast.net/2006/11/24/wine-20-minifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-48251</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Mabray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think something is really missing in this minifesto - I agree that the consumer power is key but ALSO the ability to interact with the wineries is just as key.  Remember, we need people who both produce the wine and people who enjoy the wine.

Inertia - Powering the Wine Revolution

---Paul Mabray - CEO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think something is really missing in this minifesto &#8211; I agree that the consumer power is key but ALSO the ability to interact with the wineries is just as key.  Remember, we need people who both produce the wine and people who enjoy the wine.</p>
<p>Inertia &#8211; Powering the Wine Revolution</p>
<p>&#8212;Paul Mabray &#8211; CEO</p>
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		<title>By: Winecast - A wine blog and podcast</title>
		<link>http://winecast.net/2006/11/24/wine-20-minifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-47940</link>
		<dc:creator>Winecast - A wine blog and podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sagi Solomon</title>
		<link>http://winecast.net/2006/11/24/wine-20-minifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-47883</link>
		<dc:creator>Sagi Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the inclusion of wineries into the manifesto. Web2.0 tends to focus on the consumer, but in our field, the wineries are just as important to the exchange of information. 

I suggest that the scope of #2 be broadened to include wineries as well. A great wine tasting experience is also something that our sites seek to highlight.

I agree with El Jefe that consumers look for value, not just low price.  Low prices are something any search engine can find (as you point out), but value can only be communicated based on experiences.  That&#039;s the beauty of what we&#039;re doing.

I think that a combination of #2 and #8 would be appropriate because a writer only gets a following if the community bands around him/her.  We need technology to quantify who the community trusts in the same way that we need the technology to help us find the values (and the great wineries).

I&#039;m sorry I cannot attend the Virtual Wine2.0. I look forward to reading about it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the inclusion of wineries into the manifesto. Web2.0 tends to focus on the consumer, but in our field, the wineries are just as important to the exchange of information. </p>
<p>I suggest that the scope of #2 be broadened to include wineries as well. A great wine tasting experience is also something that our sites seek to highlight.</p>
<p>I agree with El Jefe that consumers look for value, not just low price.  Low prices are something any search engine can find (as you point out), but value can only be communicated based on experiences.  That&#8217;s the beauty of what we&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>I think that a combination of #2 and #8 would be appropriate because a writer only gets a following if the community bands around him/her.  We need technology to quantify who the community trusts in the same way that we need the technology to help us find the values (and the great wineries).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I cannot attend the Virtual Wine2.0. I look forward to reading about it though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Andy, I&#039;m not sure if blogs are taken very seriously over here.  Perhaps in highly technical circles they are, but certainly not in the mainstream.

My comments about the various operating systems and web browsers adopting RSS and making it very easy to subscribe to blogs was a bit aspirational but I do think readers will come from outside the tech geek community in 2007.  Mac OS does this today with Safari&#039;s RSS reader; this will only get better with 10.5 &quot;Leopard&quot;.  IE7 added RSS that works pretty well and Windows Vista will ship with this as the default browser.  Firefox 2 has RSS built-in as well, so all the groundwork is in place for more people to discover our blogs.

My guess is we will see more of the wine message board crowd subscribe than the average consumer, but even some of them will join us... at least I hope so.

Thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Andy, I&#8217;m not sure if blogs are taken very seriously over here.  Perhaps in highly technical circles they are, but certainly not in the mainstream.</p>
<p>My comments about the various operating systems and web browsers adopting RSS and making it very easy to subscribe to blogs was a bit aspirational but I do think readers will come from outside the tech geek community in 2007.  Mac OS does this today with Safari&#8217;s RSS reader; this will only get better with 10.5 &#8220;Leopard&#8221;.  IE7 added RSS that works pretty well and Windows Vista will ship with this as the default browser.  Firefox 2 has RSS built-in as well, so all the groundwork is in place for more people to discover our blogs.</p>
<p>My guess is we will see more of the wine message board crowd subscribe than the average consumer, but even some of them will join us&#8230; at least I hope so.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what I want to know though is when are blogs going to be taken as seriously on this side of the pond, as much as they are over on your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I want to know though is when are blogs going to be taken as seriously on this side of the pond, as much as they are over on your side.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RSS - it might happen, but not next year. I know many bloggers who don&#039;t use RSS or read RSS feeds. It is going to take a lot longer to presuade/educate people like my father. 

A good post though; glad you leaped in and did one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RSS &#8211; it might happen, but not next year. I know many bloggers who don&#8217;t use RSS or read RSS feeds. It is going to take a lot longer to presuade/educate people like my father. </p>
<p>A good post though; glad you leaped in and did one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;recommendations that carry almost as much weight with them as Parker scores&quot;

This is definitely true.  I&#039;ve recently been interviewing consumers and they constantly cite word-of-mouth as one the keys to discovering new wines.  Wine 2.0 needs to enable this.

-Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;recommendations that carry almost as much weight with them as Parker scores&#8221;</p>
<p>This is definitely true.  I&#8217;ve recently been interviewing consumers and they constantly cite word-of-mouth as one the keys to discovering new wines.  Wine 2.0 needs to enable this.</p>
<p>-Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments and suggestions Ethan and El Jefe. Given that I&#039;m 130 words short of the limit, I can make some additions to make things a bit more clear and add some thoughts.

Ethan: What I&#039;m trying to say in both points 1 and 9 are the same thing from slightly different angles. In point 1 I&#039;m suggesting that Parker, Tanzer, Laube, et. al. are still important and useful points of view to be consulted but these are now supplemented by online sources that are not always from &quot;professionals&quot;.  Point 9 is suggesting that customers are making more of their own decisions and not blindly following the critics scores.  I think more people of all levels of wine knowledge are trusting their own palate these days.  So I don&#039;t think these are opposite points, but the same point with a slightly different spin.  None the less I&#039;ll add some words around each in the next version to make this more clear.

El Jefe: Good point in #1 about wine tourism posts and not just us wine geek types.  I agree with your point on value in point 4 and will expand to encompass this idea.  I have quite a few values in my cellar that cost me $50.  I&#039;ll link to the blog post which documents Stormhoek&#039;s success in point 11.  I like your number 13, as well, and will either add it or graft it into one of the previous points.

A great start on v1.1, guys; thanks again... looking forward to more viewpoints once this gets linked around the blogosphere.  Pass the word ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments and suggestions Ethan and El Jefe. Given that I&#8217;m 130 words short of the limit, I can make some additions to make things a bit more clear and add some thoughts.</p>
<p>Ethan: What I&#8217;m trying to say in both points 1 and 9 are the same thing from slightly different angles. In point 1 I&#8217;m suggesting that Parker, Tanzer, Laube, et. al. are still important and useful points of view to be consulted but these are now supplemented by online sources that are not always from &#8220;professionals&#8221;.  Point 9 is suggesting that customers are making more of their own decisions and not blindly following the critics scores.  I think more people of all levels of wine knowledge are trusting their own palate these days.  So I don&#8217;t think these are opposite points, but the same point with a slightly different spin.  None the less I&#8217;ll add some words around each in the next version to make this more clear.</p>
<p>El Jefe: Good point in #1 about wine tourism posts and not just us wine geek types.  I agree with your point on value in point 4 and will expand to encompass this idea.  I have quite a few values in my cellar that cost me $50.  I&#8217;ll link to the blog post which documents Stormhoek&#8217;s success in point 11.  I like your number 13, as well, and will either add it or graft it into one of the previous points.</p>
<p>A great start on v1.1, guys; thanks again&#8230; looking forward to more viewpoints once this gets linked around the blogosphere.  Pass the word <img src='http://winecast.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: el jefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>el jefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1a. Some of the best blog posts about us have been not only about the wine but about the whole visit to our winery. These are people simply visiting the area and part of their good time here is wine tasting. It would be foolish to value these people less than the serious wine geek.

#3. I&#039;ll be happy to believe it when I see it.

#4. Customers are looking for -value-, which is not quite the same thing. Value can happen at $5 and at $50.

#5. No, it travels faster :)

#6. This has always been true. Any one bottle customer today can be a 10 case customer tomorrow.

#7. Agreed. It&#039;s not about selling the bottle, it is about selling the experience. Somewhere within the last week someone (wish I could remember who) made the general point that you are not selling a product, you are selling an idea. Even more so in our business.

#10. Roger that!

#11. Show me the money!

#12. Exactly!

Nice post. Just always remember that everything old is new again...

thanks! - j

ps: #13, people -will- buy wine based on the label - once. It better be good juice for &#039;twice&#039; to happen... point being to attract them any way you can, but your product better be able to bring them back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1a. Some of the best blog posts about us have been not only about the wine but about the whole visit to our winery. These are people simply visiting the area and part of their good time here is wine tasting. It would be foolish to value these people less than the serious wine geek.</p>
<p>#3. I&#8217;ll be happy to believe it when I see it.</p>
<p>#4. Customers are looking for -value-, which is not quite the same thing. Value can happen at $5 and at $50.</p>
<p>#5. No, it travels faster <img src='http://winecast.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>#6. This has always been true. Any one bottle customer today can be a 10 case customer tomorrow.</p>
<p>#7. Agreed. It&#8217;s not about selling the bottle, it is about selling the experience. Somewhere within the last week someone (wish I could remember who) made the general point that you are not selling a product, you are selling an idea. Even more so in our business.</p>
<p>#10. Roger that!</p>
<p>#11. Show me the money!</p>
<p>#12. Exactly!</p>
<p>Nice post. Just always remember that everything old is new again&#8230;</p>
<p>thanks! &#8211; j</p>
<p>ps: #13, people -will- buy wine based on the label &#8211; once. It better be good juice for &#8216;twice&#8217; to happen&#8230; point being to attract them any way you can, but your product better be able to bring them back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does #1 reconcile with #9? Either people care about scores or they don&#039;t.

At the risk of coming off all pissy, I&#039;m thinking Wine whatever-you-wanna-call-it needs a manifesto like it needs more spoiled bottles. I&#039;m guessing Wine [whatever] needs this stuff as a rallying cry...? I dunno, I&#039;m too far outside of all of that stuff to really lose sleep over it. 

Not having read Hugh&#039;s post, I&#039;ll submit #13 anyway: People don&#039;t necessarily buy wines purely on the label design alone.

Carry on then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does #1 reconcile with #9? Either people care about scores or they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>At the risk of coming off all pissy, I&#8217;m thinking Wine whatever-you-wanna-call-it needs a manifesto like it needs more spoiled bottles. I&#8217;m guessing Wine [whatever] needs this stuff as a rallying cry&#8230;? I dunno, I&#8217;m too far outside of all of that stuff to really lose sleep over it. </p>
<p>Not having read Hugh&#8217;s post, I&#8217;ll submit #13 anyway: People don&#8217;t necessarily buy wines purely on the label design alone.</p>
<p>Carry on then&#8230;</p>
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