Comments on: Is Wine Too Niche For Web 2.0? http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/ A wine podcast and blog Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:36:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Cindy http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-56831 Cindy Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:37:28 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-56831 It’s not niche. I think if Web 2.0 is clear as social contact online then wine would be a good place to do it and its really just niche enough to make social interaction. I agree with you that wine news alone is not compelling enough for a wine community……….good infoo…thxxx It’s not niche. I think if Web 2.0 is clear as social contact online then wine would be a good place to do it and its really just niche enough to make social interaction. I agree with you that wine news alone is not compelling enough for a wine community……….good infoo…thxxx

]]> By: Jake http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-56303 Jake Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:43:47 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-56303 Hi Tim, just wanted to give you a heads up on a small problem with Vinolin that you may not have been aware... check out the recent post on GrapeThinking.com. Basically, they don't have the safeguards in place to keep you from being penalized as they duplicate your content. Just thought I would give you a heads up! Hi Tim, just wanted to give you a heads up on a small problem with Vinolin that you may not have been aware… check out the recent post on GrapeThinking.com. Basically, they don’t have the safeguards in place to keep you from being penalized as they duplicate your content.

Just thought I would give you a heads up!

]]> By: Winecast - A wine blog and podcast http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-47402 Winecast - A wine blog and podcast Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:00:21 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-47402 [...] I have to say that Andrew does bring up a good point; in fact, one I’ve been concerned with in the past. Are all these Wine 2.0 sites doomed to be used by just us technology geeks? Will any of them find an audience outside the blogosphere? Am I just chasing windmills with these posts? [...] [...] I have to say that Andrew does bring up a good point; in fact, one I’ve been concerned with in the past. Are all these Wine 2.0 sites doomed to be used by just us technology geeks? Will any of them find an audience outside the blogosphere? Am I just chasing windmills with these posts? [...]

]]> By: Winecast » Blog Archive » Further Reflections Regarding Wine 2.0 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42763 Winecast » Blog Archive » Further Reflections Regarding Wine 2.0 Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:29:55 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42763 [...] My post the other day started a discussion in the comments with Joel from Wine Life Today and Vivi’s Wine Journal. We both agreed that the current Web 2.0 wine sites (I’m calling them now “Wine 2.0″) don’t have enough benefits to reach critical mass and that a “mashup” of these sites is most likely the only sensible strategy. But what features should these new sites have and who will use them? First, let’s look at the current offerings: [...] [...] My post the other day started a discussion in the comments with Joel from Wine Life Today and Vivi’s Wine Journal. We both agreed that the current Web 2.0 wine sites (I’m calling them now “Wine 2.0″) don’t have enough benefits to reach critical mass and that a “mashup” of these sites is most likely the only sensible strategy. But what features should these new sites have and who will use them? First, let’s look at the current offerings: [...]

]]> By: Vinolin Blog » Blog Archive » Thanks from Vinolin! http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42564 Vinolin Blog » Blog Archive » Thanks from Vinolin! Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:03:10 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42564 [...] Tim, at Winecast, has great comments about Vinolin. He’s got an interesting Wine Web 2.0 discussion going. Check out his Grazr + Vinolin.com mashup on the sidebar of Winecast! Thanks Tim! [...] [...] Tim, at Winecast, has great comments about Vinolin. He’s got an interesting Wine Web 2.0 discussion going. Check out his Grazr + Vinolin.com mashup on the sidebar of Winecast! Thanks Tim! [...]

]]> By: Tim http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42491 Tim Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:24:41 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42491 I'd be interesting in brainstorming this with you, Joel. My Skype is: winecast. I'll post a few ideas later today to organize my thoughts; stay tuned. I’d be interesting in brainstorming this with you, Joel. My Skype is: winecast. I’ll post a few ideas later today to organize my thoughts; stay tuned.

]]> By: Joel http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42475 Joel Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:14:15 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42475 Wine is such a social thing that it transcends the drink itself. Drinking wine (at least for me) is all about the experience, the people, learning about the winery, and, of course, the drink. Additionally, as we have all seen by tooling around with blogs, its definitely global with "fanatics" all over the globe. If the Internet is moving from a medium for finding information to a medium of social interaction I would have to hand in my marketing credentials if I said there wasn't a match here somewhere. News alone is probably not it - as you noted with Netscape - but thats where the "mash up" comes from. There's a combination of things in there somewhere (like Tim mentioned). I'd love a brainstorming session if anyone were so inclined. Wine is such a social thing that it transcends the drink itself. Drinking wine (at least for me) is all about the experience, the people, learning about the winery, and, of course, the drink. Additionally, as we have all seen by tooling around with blogs, its definitely global with “fanatics” all over the globe.

If the Internet is moving from a medium for finding information to a medium of social interaction I would have to hand in my marketing credentials if I said there wasn’t a match here somewhere.

News alone is probably not it – as you noted with Netscape – but thats where the “mash up” comes from. There’s a combination of things in there somewhere (like Tim mentioned).

I’d love a brainstorming session if anyone were so inclined.

]]> By: Tim http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42416 Tim Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:10:26 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42416 Wow, Andrew, a bit of insomnia or are you on my side of the pond ;-) At any rate, I agree with you that wine news alone is not compelling enough for a wine community (at least now). Perhaps a mashup of news, reviews, sales, cellar management and more is the right combo. Time will tell. Thanks for your comment at 3 am GMT. Wow, Andrew, a bit of insomnia or are you on my side of the pond ;-)

At any rate, I agree with you that wine news alone is not compelling enough for a wine community (at least now). Perhaps a mashup of news, reviews, sales, cellar management and more is the right combo. Time will tell.

Thanks for your comment at 3 am GMT.

]]> By: Andrew http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42415 Andrew Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:41:20 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42415 All these 'social interaction sites' have little lasting appeal to me. I have played with netscape for example but it held little lasting interest. I like the idea of Wine Life Today but I am not sure if the concept is right for 'wine'. Is there enough interest in wine news to attract the general population as there is say in digg for the techies? All these ’social interaction sites’ have little lasting appeal to me. I have played with netscape for example but it held little lasting interest. I like the idea of Wine Life Today but I am not sure if the concept is right for ‘wine’. Is there enough interest in wine news to attract the general population as there is say in digg for the techies?

]]> By: Tim http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42405 Tim Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:47:27 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42405 I agree that a mashup will be the winner here, but who will be able to pull it together? I've got some ideas I'll blog here shortly, but getting all the pieces in place will be a real challenge with all the factions in this industry. I agree that a mashup will be the winner here, but who will be able to pull it together? I’ve got some ideas I’ll blog here shortly, but getting all the pieces in place will be a real challenge with all the factions in this industry.

]]> By: Joel http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42396 Joel Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:44:44 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42396 The YouTube reference was half tongue-in-cheek. If the right idea (or mash-up of ideas) came along I think you'd see a disruption to traditional wine media. That disruptor would make money. Even 1% of the YouTube price would make it interesting for most... cheers! The YouTube reference was half tongue-in-cheek. If the right idea (or mash-up of ideas) came along I think you’d see a disruption to traditional wine media. That disruptor would make money. Even 1% of the YouTube price would make it interesting for most…

cheers!

]]> By: Tim http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42394 Tim Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:33:36 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42394 Thanks for your thoughts on this issue, Joel. I don't think wine news is the killer app alone, but maybe it is part of the mix with recommendations, cellar tracking, buying wines, selling/trading wines and wine education. I also don't think there will be a YouTube-like exit strategy for any web 2.0 wine site, but there will be some money made in this space (my guess is the folks at Inertia Beverage will make a good share of it). Hope you find some time to further evolve Wine Life Today. Cheers! Thanks for your thoughts on this issue, Joel. I don’t think wine news is the killer app alone, but maybe it is part of the mix with recommendations, cellar tracking, buying wines, selling/trading wines and wine education. I also don’t think there will be a YouTube-like exit strategy for any web 2.0 wine site, but there will be some money made in this space (my guess is the folks at Inertia Beverage will make a good share of it).

Hope you find some time to further evolve Wine Life Today. Cheers!

]]> By: Joel http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/comment-page-1/#comment-42385 Joel Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:34:23 +0000 http://winecast.net/2006/10/13/is-wine-too-niche-for-web-20/#comment-42385 I don't think its too niche. I think if Web 2.0 is defined as "social interaction online" then wine would be a good place to do it and its really just niche enough to make social interaction/recommendations/etc. statistically significant. With Wine Life Today, I personally took on a consulting engagement that translated to a big-time position and took me away from development,and I do believe there are critical tools required (based on the feedback that I got during a Beta period) that need to be developed. I haven't been able to recruit other developers so it's going to have to wait until I free up some time (there are some improvements coming). BTW: Any volunteers? I still believe in it whole-heartedly... With Wine 2.0, I don't think the tasting notes and big databases of wines is going to work because of the sheer volume of wines out there (recommendation engines work statistically with Movie rentals but there are far fewer movies than there are wines!) Look at the Amazon community. Millions of users and years of reviews and even the most reviewed products have maybe 10 reviews. News (Wine Life Today) I think as a proof of concept was working but I'm one dude with a 10 month old baby and a new job so it needs development that if more than one person worked on I think it would work. the question is what is the "killer app" for Wine 2.0? I'm not sure. News? Maybe. Reviews on wines and recommendations? I'm skeptical. I'm willing to brainstorm! I mean, if YouTube gets $1.65B after 18 months with thirty-something employees I think this is worth giving some good hard thought by the "techies" in the wine world. I don’t think its too niche. I think if Web 2.0 is defined as “social interaction online” then wine would be a good place to do it and its really just niche enough to make social interaction/recommendations/etc. statistically significant.

With Wine Life Today, I personally took on a consulting engagement that translated to a big-time position and took me away from development,and I do believe there are critical tools required (based on the feedback that I got during a Beta period) that need to be developed. I haven’t been able to recruit other developers so it’s going to have to wait until I free up some time (there are some improvements coming). BTW: Any volunteers? I still believe in it whole-heartedly…

With Wine 2.0, I don’t think the tasting notes and big databases of wines is going to work because of the sheer volume of wines out there (recommendation engines work statistically with Movie rentals but there are far fewer movies than there are wines!) Look at the Amazon community. Millions of users and years of reviews and even the most reviewed products have maybe 10 reviews. News (Wine Life Today) I think as a proof of concept was working but I’m one dude with a 10 month old baby and a new job so it needs development that if more than one person worked on I think it would work.

the question is what is the “killer app” for Wine 2.0? I’m not sure. News? Maybe. Reviews on wines and recommendations? I’m skeptical. I’m willing to brainstorm! I mean, if YouTube gets $1.65B after 18 months with thirty-something employees I think this is worth giving some good hard thought by the “techies” in the wine world.

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